Anonymous thoughts on the yuchun issue? do you hate him?
I don’t hate Yoochun (although I’m far past the point of pissed). I said that I loved him and that I would support him so I’m not going to turn my back on him because he made a dumb as fuck decision a few years ago. Some people feel as though they can’t stan him anymore and that’s perfectly fine. I don’t think that they’re wrong and I don’t think that they’re bad people. They have every right to be angry because this is a big deal. The same goes for people on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think that you should be able to continue being his fan without feeling like a terrible person. It’s all in how you deal with it (See HERE if you need help with doing that). You can’t brush off an issue of this magnitude on the basis that he made a mistake. Newsflash; they all do and that doesn’t make it okay. An anon asked me a while ago how I felt about idols slipping up and I told them that they’re all humans and they should be held accountable for the wrongs that they have committed. They don’t have a ‘get out of jail free card’ because they are well known. If anything, they should be more aware of their actions and the consequences that will result from them. They’re in the public eye constantly and what they do affects far more people than the actions of your average citizen.
Just because I love him doesn’t mean that I’m going to allow myself to be blinded by his stupidity. I hold other idols responsible for their actions so I’d be a hypocrite to not do the same for mine. If Jae was the one going through this you bet your ass I’d be reacting the same way. I don’t think that he’s a disgusting human being but I do think that what he did was disgusting. No amount of love is going to change that. It doesn’t make me hate him but it sure does alter the way I look at him. Even after this is all settled, even after he makes a public statement to address this issue… My view of him has forever been changed. I’m just so disappointed. I had high expectations for him; I thought he was better than that. I’ve heard nothing but great fanaccounts from people that have met/run into him. They always praise him, saying that he’s very kind and respectful towards his fans. I don’t doubt their words but I don’t know… It’s like his innocence has been lost to me. Every time I look at him, the fact that he did this is going to cross my mind and make me a little bit uneasy. I feel nauseous every time I think about it. And I’m sure that feeling is going to last for a while. The same thing happened with Junho and Siwon after they made their homophobic statements, Teuk, Yesung, + Shindong and their sexist comments, Kangin and his fight + DUI, etc. I still stan them but even now, when I watch videos of them, thoughts about those issues reappear in my mind. It’s never going to go away. I’m never going to feel the same way about him that I did before this incident.
I can’t stand the fact that fans are sitting at their computers trying to defend him. Yes, we should protect our idols, but not when they’re the ones in the wrong. I’ve seen excuse after excuse about why he did what he did. It doesn’t matter why. What matters is that he did it and that it was not okay. “Oppa didn’t mean it”. Of course he did. He meant it when he did it or else he would have handled the situation in a different manner. “She probably provoked him!” Yes, because victim blaming is fucking okay. Regardless of what she did, he shouldn’t have taken it that far. Sure it was in the heat of the moment and he may have been pissed but that’s no excuse for hitting someone like that. He has an entire security team following him around 24/7. If the girl was really causing an issue he could have easily called them to handle the situation. I don’t know what the context was but there is no reason that he should have put his hands on her like that, especially because she was a fan. She may have been a sasaeng fan but she was still a fan and you don’t do that to someone that loves you. You just fucking don’t.
I’ve also seen people saying that it wasn’t him and that it was a manager of some sort. I know that the fancam isn’t exactly clear but I am 99% sure that it was Yoochun on the stairs. I will make a frame by frame chart of screencaps from the video with his arms highlighted if people are really that much in denial. I have pictures from earlier that day and from that exact moment. He was the only one in their party with a black shirt on and dark hair. He was the only one wearing grey pants and you can compare the distance he was from Jae at the moment that it happened. It was him. Accept it. (EDIT: Another fancam was just posted so now I’m positive.).
I’m not doing this because I dislike him. I’m reacting this way because what he did was unacceptable, idol or not. I may be a fan, but I can recognize that what happened was not right.
Oh and another thing. The most disturbing comment that I read yesterday throughout this entire ordeal came from a fan saying that the reason why this wasn’t made a big deal out of before is that it’s not an uncommon thing for idols to do. I’m not sure how reliable said fan is but that scares me. A lot. That would explain (not justify) why Jaejoong seemingly did nothing when the girl was hit (which also angers me but that’s not the issue at hand). It makes me wonder about who these idols really are and what else K-fans are hiding from the International community…
The only thing that is keeping me from completely losing my mind is that this happened 3 years ago. The fact that it was so long ago doesn’t mean we should dismiss it but I hope to God that he’s changed since then. If this was something recent I don’t know what I’d do.
Apparently lots of KCassies knew about this but there was never really any uproar. The int. fans are the ones that are just finding this out. I wonder if he even knows how big of an issue this is becoming in the fan community… I really hope so because I’m waiting for a statement from him, I don’t care if it’s on twitter or something official. I don’t want excuses. I don’t want his company to speak for him. He’s a grown man. I need to hear from him and I need to know that he is genuinely sorry.
This is so sporadic but I don’t know. I’m confused and my head is still spinning. I feel sick and my mind is cluttered with thoughts. Bottom line is what occurred on that stairwell was fucking terrible and there is absolutely no excuse for it. This is a situation that I was hoping I’d never have to deal with. It sucks.
Anonymous are you ever going to update holyshisus anymore? because tbh, i miss you using that account. you would always update it and everyone knew you for one of the biggest elf on tumblr. i remember suju ,meant everything to you. (i'm not saying that they don't anymore) you didn't even want to join any other fandom because you always said you would be an elf, and only that. you're just showing less interest in them. i know you've explained why but it doesn't make any sense. you changed a lot.
goodness ik that you dont mean any harm by this, seeing as you’re not approaching me in a rude way but dealing with messages like this is starting to get really stressful.
okay number 1 on the list of things to address. i apologize but i dont plan on updating that account anytime soon (ever?). i never made an official goodbye post but ive settled in here and being on that account feels so strange now. i feel so out of place and it’s very uncomfortable so i plan on staying on this acc.
LORD ANON do you want me to cry haha. ikikikikik ugh i never imagined id be in this situation… not in a million years. if you wouldve told me that id be a cassie 2 years ago i would have laughed because i honestly didnt see it ever happening… but idk. if i tried to explain you would all say i was crazy lol. i tried explaining it to leslie on skype today and even she seemed a bit confused.
okay so the basically: sj =/= healthy for me. i wasnt bored of them and i certainly was stop losing affection for them. i loved those boys but i think i loved them a little /too/ much. i neglected my grades for them, my social life (oh basic kpop things), etc. i was an updater and updating requires constant attention. no leaving the house bc if you do you might miss something and if you miss something then you’re thrown completely out of the loop. constant pressure to live up to the whole ~suju bible~ thing was too much. i needed to get back into the real world and being a hardcore stan was not letting that happen. i tried taking a break but breaks didn’t seem change anything. i was too emotionally attached to them so slowly turning myself into a casual stan was not going to work. i needed to cut myself off from them completely and ease my way back into them, which is currently where im at now. in all honesty ive been avoiding them and their news because the emotional pull is still so strong. i cant even listen to their songs. whenever sorry sorry starts up my heart breaks… idk if that makes any sense but it does to me. i hate how i sort of left out of the blue but it was something that i had been thinking about for a /while/ (i remember the exact day; when sj’s mr. simple thanks to translations were posted).
god i love them and i always will. they brought me through so much and theyve made me so insanely happy over the past couple of years… but idk. idk if it’s time for me to move on or what. i mean. i wasnt happy there. i was under stress all the damn time. i disliked a majority of the fandom. i didnt feel like i fit in anymore… but now. im just so satisfied with everything . cassies are great, stanning dbsk is fun (lmfao well aside from the whole emoshinki thing that happens EVERY DAY THANKS TO MIJUNG), and my stress level in regards to my stanning is at a 0.
ik im a shitty elf. and ik that ive changed. im sorry that ive disappointed all of you… but this isnt something that i want to be dealing with forever. i want to be happy and i want to feel like i can love a group without ppl being on my ass about sj all the time.
i’ve been really out of it with kpop recently… i havent been paying much attention to any groups other than my own simply because i have no time for them. it’s hard enough keeping up with 4 groups, adding any more to the equation would drive me insane.
actually that’s a lie. kind of. i have been trying to keep up with exo but all of these teasers are making my head spin so i dont know how much longer ill last. starting to question if theyll ever actually debut or if sm will just keep feeding us kai teasers for the next year in an effort to keep us wanting more. tbh i havent even listened to warrior. i just know that all of the members are blonde, their dance involves stopping or something, and zelo is the tallest, despite the fact that he’s 14ish. maybe ill check out their song later? idk. my interest for kpop as a whole seems to be leaving me and i cant be bothered to learn new groups :c
Anonymous i really love you responses .. what to do you think about all the hate that SNSD gets ?
thank you dear!
lol i could rant. and rant. and rant. about that subject until the end of time. i mean, obviously i think it’s obnoxious and completely unnecessary. most of the time, the hate isnt for a legitimate reason which is probably what pisses me off the most. it’s always “they’re plastic!” (p sure most of your oppas have had ps procedures done), “they’re sluts that need to stay away from my oppa!” (yay for slut shaming and jealous fangirls), or that they’re overrated. i could honestly care less if someone dislikes snsd. if you think they’re overrated, that’s great. we all have different opinions and im not going to try and shove mine down your throat (which is where most sone go wrong). im not in any position to force you to like them. as long as you’re not actively hating on them 24/7 for pointless reasons, it doesnt bother me. BUT SADLY, most fangirls/boys decide to be proactive about their hate instead of ignoring them like most sane people would do. it was really hard to deal with at first… all of the stupid comments on their yt’s, rants on kpopsecrets, etc. but ive seen it so much now that it doesnt even bother me, really (so long as it’s not reaching the girls). fighting with them isnt going to change anything. all i can do is love my girls and hope that others will come to do the same. they have all of our support and our job is to love on them and make them realize that theyre all beautiful individuals & that anti comments dont mean shit. though sometimes, it does hurt… i.e. when they deal with it themselves as opposed to random posts on tumblr/twitter. theyve seemed to grow somewhat numb to it throughout the years, but i know that it still stings. that sort of stuff always does… and seeing them sad, discouraged, etc. is what makes me want to rip off ppls heads.
i dont think they deserve it. i dont think /any/ group deserves to have an entire anti fanbase on their asses all the time. 2pm’s anticafe is even bigger than soshi’s and it disgusts me.
oh it also really annoys me that a lot of the anti’s come from their sibling fanbase. the whole sone vs elf thing gets on my very last nerve. being caught up in the middle of both of them and having to constantly deal with drama is sooo damn stressful. i look at hottests & say a’s, blackjacks & vips (for the most part) and im jst like why the hell cant we have that?! (because sone are crazy overprotective and instigate things and elf get really jealous over their oppas + the treatment; i mean, not all. obviously. but some. and that select group of crazy stans has to ruin it for all of us). tbh i think we need to get the fandoms together and sing kumbaya while looking at a slideshow of sm fam moments
idk if i answered your q or not… omg i am so terrible with non specific questions.
Anonymous which gda award are the highest? it will be the one that's given out tonight, right? like the one suju won in 2009 and snsd won in 2010? i'm highly confused about the two award days since idk what the difference is and which one is more important /:
okay well normally it’s all done in one night so it’s slightly less confusing. there are two categories; disk + digital. last night was disk, as in physical copies of albums. this is where sj thrives because elf are insane (in a good way) in their attempts to get sj to win. 5 bongsangs are awarded and out of those 5, one group is giving the ultimate award; the daesang. it’s the same with digital. 5 groups are given digital bongsangs and one is given the daesang. the physical daesung is evidently more prestigious than the digital, as the digital is much newer & harder to calculate seeing as most fans tend to illegally download their idols music.
sj won the disk daesang last night (YAY) and they wont be attending the award show tonight (sj seriously lacks when it comes to digital downloads). they also won it in 2009 for sorry sorry, while soshi took it home last year for oh!
Anonymous i respect you a lot for being able to accept that not everything idols do is going to be the right thing and that they do make mistakes. so many people are ignorant to that and its refreshing to see such a realistic outlook from someone. yes, we love our respective groups, and we should stand up for them, but we shouldnt always be looking through rose-tinted glasses.
i know that i call them flawfree, flawless, perfect, etc. /all/ the time (on a regular basis, even), but im not being serious when i say those things. none of them are perfect, and i hate when fans dont realize that. theyre humans. they make mistakes! by virtue of being a human, it’s going to happen! sometimes they slip up and say stupid things, and we cant just laugh it off and say that he was ~joking~ or that he didnt know what he was saying. sometimes they say /really/ offensive things (i can think of 3 off the top of my head) and it’d be unfair for the affected party for us to just pass it off like it’s nothing. on the flip side though, it’d be stupid to hate every single idol that messes up (ive seen a couple of ppl like this). we need to find a balance and learn how to deal with their flaws. i actually think that by doing that, it helps you grown closer with them, in a sense. you love someone because of their imperfections, not because they are completely without flaw.
Anonymous how would you describe your feelings towards SJ now compared to when you first started liking them? Were you more critical of them before when you didn't know them that well & more understanding now that you do? do you feel like you could be objective when there are issues involving them or are you the type of fan who's pretty biased-they-can-do-no=wrong?
well when i first got into sj i was reallyy young and a really stupid fangirl. i was one of those jealous, obnoxious, OPPA IS PERFECT type of fangirls, and that didn’t change until i got a tumblr. even then, though, i wasnt completely sane. i look back at my old tumblr posts and i jst smh and think what in God’s name was i doing? i’m seriously just so ashamed of my old self and how embarrassing i was omg. at least i never called them oppa in a serious manner.
my feelings have changed a lot in regards to that aspect, and it’s something that ive thought about a lot recently. i think that with sj, more than any of my groups, im able to criticize them and deal with their flaws (which is a really good thing imo). i used to freak out whenever someone would say something bad about the boys, especially in relation to something that they had said on a show/radio. i would stand up for them even if i knew that what they had said/done was wrong, and i would try to make excuses for them. i mean, it’s great to stand up for your idol and protect them, but there’s a line that shouldnt be crossed. they are grown men. they are in the spotlight constantly. they shouldnt be treated as if theyre ignorant children, because theyre not. oppa didnt mean it my ass. if they said something problematic, we need to learn how to deal with it, realize why it was offensive, recognize who it was offensive towards, and then try and move on (or not, depending on who it is/what theyve said). took me forever to get this through my head. it took me reading through pages and pages of people criticizing them for me to finally be able to not feel crushed everytime someone made a negative comment about them. now, though, i can look at peoples criticisms and feel completely unaffected. i love them to death, all 15 of them, but they are in no way perfect. they all have their flaws (though of course we love them in spite of these) and we need to remember that. obviously, this isnt only limited to offensive statements, but also performances, etc. sometimes they dont sound so hot and im not going to sit here and say that they sound like gods when they dont. if i think another group performed better than they did, ill say it. i feel like im able to write more unbiased opinions about them because ive partially gotten rid of the fangirl shield that blinded me for so long and i love it. i dont know if this happened as a result of knowing them for so long, or if it’s just an age thing. probably both, though i think it has more to do with the amount of time that ive stanned them. i go through a process or something… im almost at that stage with 2pm, but that’s a diff story because im pretty overprotective when it comes to them (but after the hottest fiasco, you cant really blame me).
Anonymous what's your favorite show snsd has been on? well, either their own show or as guest stars. besides rm, hello baby, dangerous boys, and hmf.
I was about to say Dangerous Boys omg that show is my current obsession.
confessions of a sone; im not even fond of hello baby. shows that involve kids in general are not my thing. took me forever to get through, regardless of how hilarious the girls were. still glad i watched it though because fdsmssdnfjks inside jokes galore. and yulsic. and yuri x children fml
Factory Girl is probably my favorite? Idk. Probably because that’s the show that pretty much made me fall in love with the girls. They were all so cute and young and inexperienced. It’s amazing to rewatch it and see how they’ve grown as idols and just as women in general throughout the years. I barely recognize them omg especially Yul and Taeng. But Idk. It was pretty hilarious, and full of sweetness and happy things at the same time.
OH WAIT JK Intimate Note made me fall in love with them. Though I’m pretty sure I watched them both in the same day so I guess they both count.
But outside of their own shows, Win Win, Come to Play, Haha Mong Show, Champagne, Nocturnal something or other, and Intimate Note (in that order… I think.). Charity Cafe was reallly adorable (another one of my first soshi shows). AND HAPPY TOGETHER. OF COURSE.
Idk. There’s a /lot/ lol. I can’t decide I like them all. I just love watching their dorky selves being exposed on shows.